Alibris charged me $.50 today for canceling an order! They call it a service recovery fee! This is insane. After 3 years with Alibris, this is the first
I have ever seen of this. If this is a new policy than Alibris is finished....I'll close down our account and they'll lose thousands of dollars in
fees and commissions from me every year just because they got greedy and want to start charging 50 cents on canceled orders. Simply the most ridiculous way
to run a business I've seen yet! Beyond angry.
My understanding is that this new fee will only be charged on orders canceled AFTER they have been marked as shipped. If you verify that you have the item you
advertised BEFORE marking it shipped, you won't be charged this fee. This is designed to prevent the customer receiving a SHIPPED confirmation, only to
have the order canceled as unavailable at a later date, a very negative experience for the customer and one likely to dissuade them from ordering from Alibris
in the future..
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If I screw up and click the wrong item as shipped and then go to cancel it the day after realizing the error (as in this case) Alibris thinks it's okay to
charge $.50 for a cancellation.
It's an absolutely horrible policy and will likely end my time on Alibris if it stands.
They are already covered to by any possible transaction fees they incur because they take a portion of the shipping credit as it is! This is nothing more than
nickle and dime-ing sellers....and they are surely entitled to do so....but they are going to lose my business if they don't reverse this...it's
obscene to enforce such a ridiculous policy.
I agree with this policy. If you 'screw up' and advise a customer that their book has been shipped when you don't even have it in stock, then you
SHOULD be held accountable (at least 50 cents worth) for driving a customer away from Alibris. Just my opinion, I am willing to pay for my mistakes. It will be
interesting to hear other opinions on this new policy which hasn't been discussedmuch on the board.
I would agree in principle except for a few things.
I pay $60.00 a month to essentially advertise on Alibris. I then pay 15% commission on every sale...20% on partner sites. They take a portion of the shipping
credit to defray their own shipping costs for ship-to-Alibris orders.
This is another attempt to nickle and dime sellers.
It is also not as simple as advising a customer their order was canceled. For sellers such as us that use Fillz, when we simply move an order to in process, it
is automatically confirmed on Alibris....it's just the way they interface.
In 3 years of selling over 1,980+ books on Alibris, I have NEVER had an issue before. Now all of a sudden I'm being charged 50 cents for a canceled order
after watching Alibris sales dwindle from 30% to 1.9% of our total sales.
This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
I also pay to advertise on Alibris and then pay 15% (20% on partner sites). I certainly don't appreciate other dealers driving away customers from the
Alibris site by saying a book is shipped and then turn around several days later and say, in essence, "We lied, we didn't check and now that we have
we don't have the book. So, tough luck. Here is your money back."
If it were indeed an honest mistake then you've paid $0.50 to learn the new rules and you shouldn't have to worry about Alibris nickle and diming you
for a one time mistake on your part. Of course if marking a book shipped before you even know whether you have it or not is the usual practice in your
business then good bye and I can't say that I'm sorry to see you go.
It obviously would not be common practice as we've been with Alibris for over 3 years and have never once been assessed this "Fee".
This is not a common practice as Alibris is the ONLY website we sell on (out of 33) that has such an insane thing as a Service Recovery Fee. This kind of one
size fits all thinking is damaging to the book industry and is very short-sighted as a company like ours that brings with it unique products that drive
customers to Alibris and thus increases the chances that you will benefit as well is more likely to either leave Alibris or avoid it altogether. It's not
the way to expand your business and it's not the way to treat long time sellers in good standing.
Sales here have dried up considerably and this fee is simply absurd. It reminds me of the "over the limit" fees that credit cards extort from people.
"I certainly don't appreciate other dealers driving away customers from the Alibris site by saying a book is shipped and then turn around several days
later and say, in essence, "We lied, we didn't check and now that we have we don't have the book. So, tough luck. Here is your money back."
"
We don't even get to see what Alibris is even sending to the customers! The idea of a shipping confirmation coming direct from Alibris is a problem in and
of itself. Sellers should have the option as we automate all our shipping confirmations via Fillz and Alibris again is the only site that does this. (Though
unfortunately it looks like Amazon may be going that route as well).
Then do NOT marked the book confirmed until YOU HAVE THE BOOK IN YOUR HAND. The simplest solutions are usually the best. And the "accidentally"
marking it shipped...I do not believe it happens that fast. Simply uncheck the box and move on. The confirmation sent by Alibris is pretty simple...basically
it indicates that YOU have confirmed the order, have the book and will be shipping it. I can not see where you would have a problem with that, seems you
marked it confirmed. There would be no problems and no fees if you have the book in hand before marking it confirmed.
your's directly on Alibris...we do not....we have to rely on the interface between Fillz and Alibris. It is easy to accidnetally move an item to in
process on Fillz by bulk moving orders and if you do so, the in;terface with Albiris automatically confirms the order. If you don't catch the mistake
quick enough...Alibris now wants to charge $;.50....that is absurd. Especially since Alibris has openly partnered with Fillz in the first place.
One more point....your process works fine for a limited operation....say maybe up to 10K items or so....it's not so cut and dry for a larger scale
operation. We carry over 30K items and so an occasional mishap is simply unavoidable because the business is run by human beings and not some infallible
computer. That Alibris is the ONLY site that now what's to penalize a seller for canceling an order through a direct fee is telling....especially as
it's share of sales is decreasing not increasing.
That Alibris is the ONLY site that now what's to penalize a seller for canceling an order through a direct fee is telling....
Yes. It tells you that Alibris wants to improve the customer experience. I am sorry that your company is too big to worry about what the customer feels when
their "shipped" order is suddenly cancelled. On the other hand, if you're that big, then the occasional 50 cent fee shouldn't really matter
to you. This seems like a paltry item to get so inflamed about, but if this is the straw that broke your camel's back, then bye.
M
ps. This fee was completely explained in the last round of shipping credit changes back in May.
Gary, you have to take a deep breath and calm down. Alibris sent out e-mails about this new policy about a month or so ago. If you don't recall seeing
it, let me know and I will forward it to you.
Anyone doing a big volume in sales numbers, such as yourself, will on occasion have an order go astray. I've had it happen to me, and I don't have as
large an inventory as you. Couldn't find the book and had to bite the bullet. No one likes the policy; no one likes the skim on the shipping. But the
sales numbers make Alibris second behind Amazon for me. The fees are just one reason to push your own website.
Amazon's new policy about marking the item as shipped prior to their charging the customer and sending the funds to your account is their way of addressing
the number of orders refunded after they were marked as accepted. Personally, I prefer Alibris' tactic because the Amazon procedure slows down my shipping
process.....Prior, I printed the orders, had someone pull them, prepared the labels and checked the items, and shipped. With the new procedure I print the
orders, have them pulled, prepare the labels and check the items, then go back into Amazon and mark them shipped, then sned on the payment. If I process 150
orders on a Monday or Tuesday, that slows me down.